Proposal Template for references and notes user Well, as I am also of the Catalan wiki, I discovered there recently by a reference system or “footnotes” that I found very helpful and I think quite aesthetic. The staff there called “Arriaga ref”, HUB (talk contr. Bloq.) Copied it to a user subpage him for testing, and good believe may be useful. NY Museums can provide more clarity in the matter. It is the template, and a test result here. What do you think Greetings. Miguel ngel “fot grafo” Say what you want, killo 22:10 5 September 2008 (UTC) By the way, I forgot, some of the advantages is that it takes less than “muchasref” or “listaref” can be deployed or close the window, is displayed in two columns, and when it does print a column in compliance with all the Internet addresses without cutting. I’ve seen aqu ha been a long discussion, perhaps this template can be of any use. Greetings.Miguel ngel “fot grafo” Say what you want, killo 22:20 5 September 2008 (UTC) I what I make it clear that discussion is to hide the references it makes no sense. Wikipedia is not paper, so I do not understand the need to “save paper, in any case doubling the toolbar is added to a template or down, something even more useless. Let’s see if the information is valid why hide it Moreover, it has serious drawbacks, for me the most serious is that items can not be printed because it disappears from wikipedia which is vital information for the notes. So I think we should delete)) ((muchasrefs and any other system that hides the notes and unify listaref the (()), which makes the smaller sized print. Conclusion: These templates do nothing and create problems, the most important, as I say, the best that our articles can not be printed and read quietly. And I regret it enormously.Escarlati – write to me 22:48 5 September 2008 (UTC) Who said that you can not print full article the template only acts in the browser, when every print is printed, as well as other templates uncut. Greetings. Miguel ngel “fot grafo” Say what you want, killo 22:52 5 September 2008 (UTC) plegaref The template (()) (for the moment I put that name) works as listaref (()) but has the additional option to hide references if at any time hinder the reader, although initially appears unfolded. I propose to take the museum muchasref the (()). HUB (Talk) 22:58 5 September 2008 (UTC) more templates for the heap … I think it’s best to unify the workforce, rather than going to create so many new and leaving them “huddled together” in the museum. I think it would be better as ((listaref)), which by default comes unfolded, and but including a small link to bend, where the references are too many. And presto .. no more such templates.Salutes! Farisori message 23:58 5 September 2008 (UTC) That’s the idea, Farisori, though perhaps not been explained very well. It would merge the templates listaref and plegaref and stop using muchasref. Muchasref would be removed at that level to take it to the museum, as has been done with ((ref)) and ((note)), and also be replaced by the merged template, which can still be called listaref. HUB (Talk) 00:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC) Well, I’ll shut up:) Success! Farisori message 01:27 6 September 2008 (UTC) (I break bleeding) obsession with wanting to hide what the references! This is precisely what gives it more validity to the article. In addition, the verifiability of the content of an article I think is one of the most important things for an encyclopedia. Paintman (we talk ) 10:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC) … and our only defense against the really serious criticisms that are made to project … if I may add a footnote to your comment, Paintman.Greetings, RoyFocker, discussion 10:45 6 Sep 2008 (UTC) Paintman, Roy, no one wants to hide, on the contrary, the template is open by default. It is a template that would allow the user to consult the “fold” the box if you wish, references remain, and this template also allows a correct impression of all links, even those that are very long. In addition to this template references occupy much less than before. A greeting. Miguel ngel “fot grafo” Say what you want, killo 10:50 6 September 2008 (UTC) Then to “muchasrefs” makes less sense either, given that it can not see all the notes. A mi me gusta plegaref that of in principle the notes come out as usual but gives the opportunity to be bend in a particular case. Millars (Talk) 10:53 6 Sep 2008 (UTC) You were right, Michelangelo, in which the references are printed well, I was wrong. But the other objection still stands.